Saturday, November 29, 2008

Lesbians Sleepover II Yuri & Yaoi: girls & guys play and Beth goes straight....again!

Okay, back to the lesbian sleepover! Of which it turns out there is a sad and horrific side. No, no, not talking about that incident where we ran out of batteries. What I mean is the true, and sometimes competitively viscous aspect which emerges during the lesbian sleepover. Yes…the bathroom! Think about it, one bathroom and lots of women…gets to be the grand central station in the morning! But that’s the other thing, people waking up at all sorts of different times. Means one person is warmed up and ready to roll, while everyone else is still in bed (and thankfully SO!). It takes a wee bit of adjusting.

But in the end we do find that at least for SOME of us, our patterns seem to make the NIGHT a very nice place indeed. Ahh, did I forget to mention that this might be another post that isn’t going to be EXACTLY PG. Sorry, I should have mentioned it earlier but was distracted by the kitty cat on my naked BUTT!

Anyway, even the best of friends need time to sneak away for a bit. So during a break Cheryl takes her por…..I mean illustrated manga to the couch while I head off with my, um, high brow reading material, like this woman here; it is kind of difficult to determine what she might be reading (since she has the UKE figure attached to her bag!). Oh right, for future reference, the less dominant guy is the Uke, the more dominant one is the Seme – the Seme also seems to be the one who gets an adam’s apple, poor Uke’s seem to have problems with voices changing or something.

I had gotten some picture books and other books from Japan (see, Yaoi has VERY good resale value, and I ended up with someone’s collection, but the trick is, you have to READ it, to resell it – plus I had some picture books from artists who had an....um....diversity of tastes). For example here is what will happen in the USA AFTER the “don’t act, don’t tell” policy is done away with. Yes, that’s right, MORE soldiers will be playing CHESS. This can only be good for strategic thinking! I can’t see what is odd about guys playing chess (I think more and more of them should!), so strike that policy down!

I was also really hoping that Neil and our other archery experts could let me know, “Are they doing the scoring right?” in this picture. I know accuracy is important in these anime archery pictures and I don’t know if they are counting the points correctly or not. I think if the guys who are into archery could just gaze into this picture for a REALLY long time, and then let me know, that would be very helpful! Thanks.

And for those who are into historic costume and Japanese kimono’s I think you will find this picture interesting. As you can see by the patterning......he is TOTALLY nibbling that guy’s ear. And they both seem to kind of like it! And there are cat ears and a mask, indicating love at a festival. I need to find these festivals! Seriously, send me back to Japan...PLEASE!

Now before you are like, “Oh, God, here we go, getting our mind gender bending by Elizabeth again!”, no, no, I did bring some pictures of girls TOO. For example, here is one by my favorite artist, Kazue Yamamoto. Now, first, I do love braids, they get me a tingling. And she has the sexy glasses look too, but what is with the suit and tie? Is this a lesbian girl? No, no, wait, I am remembering this girl in a FAR more romantic setting, indeed in the ultimate romantic setting as….a snow bunny. Look, there she is, okay, with a GUY admittedly (dump him, he can’t make you happy like I can), and in this one she has a MUCH longer braid (oh so hot!), and that ‘just a little too large’ sexy sweater thing going on and wings. Okay, admittedly, this is supposed to be Yaoi, but I just can’t help but look at those splayed legs and hair ribbon and think…..sigh. One for our side (or meant to be anyway!).

And this brings us back to one of our favorite Uke’s (no, sadly NOT the butch lesbian and the femme uke) but who was referred to by readers as “cow eyes” and who I like to call Qwen (for reasons I will explain as we go along). Okay, here is Qwen and his (her?) lover, united again, with wings. Qwen, or Quinn, if you wish, totally has down the “I’m so vulnerable and innocent, won’t you save me!" look. Which sadly, often is a MAJOR turn on for our Seme’s who then love to see the innocence of Qwen/Quinn slowly stripped away. But of course, like a good Uke, Qwen is totally innocent even after numerous betrayals. And needs saving like, every 20-30 minutes. Quew/Quinn can't open a can of soup without needing saving!

Now, here is Qwen, who we are SUPPOSED to believe is a boy, with some of the major characters of this series called something like “No Money” because Qwen owns this HUGE debt and of course HE, the guy who gets a chest that is flat and an adam’s apple, holds the bill. And no matter how Qwen tries to pay it off, it goes wrong. And of course, it turns out that the dude’s tough and mean exterior and tricks reveal a secret soft side that really cares for the Uke, Qwen (or so Uke’s frequently tell themselves, usually while the Seme person is asleep because while awake the Seme is usually teasing the Uke in one way or another).

Okay, before we get into gender bender and getting horny over things so I’m not sure whether I am straight or lesbian or what anymore, let’s have one nice picture of the Uke in the snow. Awww, so cute, you just want to cuddle poor Qwen who it doesn’t seem will EVER have a clue how the real world works (and thus needs to find someone to take care of him/her – any volunteers!).

Okay, now we get the close up, and here is why I have named this Uke: Qwen, because this is the picture and what do you see? Or rather what do you not see? I see silky smooth skin (estrogen!), the same with the face, and tap pants hiked up to be virtually a thong! But I don’t see…..THE PACKAGE! I see rounded bum and I see place where if there is something to see, something should be seen right....right? The problem is, those eyes, that hair. No, no, no Elizabeth, do not get aroused until you are sure, I mean, what if the word got around that you were staring for long, long periods at a guy and getting the tingles?

So we go to the next shot, because that will tell us for sure! We have the ‘harem’ shot here of the parting of the veils with Gwen revealed. And all suddenly, for no reason, Linda and Cheryl are startled by my shouting, “SEE, SEE, look at those hips, look at them!!!!!” I turn and they are looking at ME. I make a throat noise and say, “Sorry, just a cough.” But in my mind it is ‘oh baby, LOOK at those hips – yeah, a little on the thin side but I think they’ll do a delivery JUST FINE!’ So now, see, it is Qwen to me, and so now I can feel WHATEVER I want I am I still a lesbian.

Well until this picture on the next page. A classic erotic Arabian Night tale. Okay, I admit it, my mind seems to be selectively viewing this scene becuase it arouses me! I KNOW that I am looking at a flat exposed chest. I just prefer to think of it as a AAA breasts with a bit of development needed because LOOK at those hips and that thong, my goodness do they come out (and disappear)! I mean that is erotic right? And who knows or cares if my brain is saying, “But gee, the top is awfully flat!”, the rest of me is saying, “No! Don’t move, don’t start the rocking or the friction! No, stop that, no friction!!!! Okay, yes, eyes say erotic, eyes say (fire inside says), ‘what I see is good for me!’ (I think we might definitely be in gender bender land now!)

Now here we have a scene. Oh, the look of longing from our Uke. The Seme turning. Is this when they first fell in love? Did the Seme buy the freedom of Qwen from a house of ill repute (though she looks pretty hot!)? Or is this where the Uke waits, waits until the Seme is done with his friends. What is the look saying, “Save me.”, or “I love you.” Or “Come home to me?”

Anyway, here is Qwen, flying back to her love (remember, theoretically she is a boy, but I am going with what my groin is telling ME, and well, maybe I have gone straight because I want to be the one to save the UKE, I want Qwen to be racing home to me!) in a gown with enough fabric to open a shop. Oh, yeah, I have Linda. Right! Um....well, books are where we get to have fantasy right? So I am sure she will understand!

Ah, and here is Qwen (still in some sort of gown) back in her lover’s arms, bound (a bit literally, but stylishly on one arm) in love. Or maybe because she keeps getting lost and needing to get rescued, like all the women who fall for the superheroes (Lois Lane could end up having someone shove her off a cliff or point a gun at her in less than 15 minutes, on a desert island!...she just had this knack for it!). Anyway, not loving the big broad chest thing, but hey, at least he had the decency to wax his. And guys are like 25% of the population or something so I suppose someone has to be hetero. Of course if someone like Qwen is classified as a guy I could um, you know, go for doing a little rescuing of Qwen, if that was called for (like Qwen doesn’t need to be rescued from herself/himself about four times a day; probably almost strangled themselves with the mittens up above trying to get them off!). Does that make me straight? And if it does, then where (to be blunt), is the ‘tackle’?

Well, I am going to put my book mark in there for today, though I could go on with more pictures. Because while it might be snowy outside, I am WARM, and tingling. Woo ha! I wonder where Linda is, and if she will hit me on the head, when I mutter, “Oh Qwen, do you need some rescuing?” Because quite honestly, I don’t think explaining that statement is going to get me any, well...any of ANYTHING, not even if I show the pictures. But right now I am, um, whew, it sure it hot in here!

Anyway, that was my gender bender tour of me going straight (maybe) for a while though the land of Yaoi. But now we are back in Yuri land and I have to get ready for tomorrow, because I think we are having a picnic. And as well all know, while we can’t have PILLOW FIGHTS at picnics, lesbians tend to dress like THIS for them. Um, well yeah, that’s pretty close if you just imagine jeans and doc martins for a few of our members instead of white gowns. But there probably will be hand holding, is that close enough?

So, this tour of the um, interesting twists of Elizabeth’s mind is over, please don’t leave any luggage behind as you exit the ride, and enjoy your stay in lesbian sleepover land!

On to Part III

28 comments:

yanub said...

I doubt I'll ever be comfortable with the Qwen pictures. He...she...whatever...always looks about age ten. Same with the picture of the two guys in kimonos at the festival. The first two yaoi pictures are good, though. Both partners in the pairs look like they are above the age of consent. The cat-ass picture is the only yuri one I've seen that has the same age problems, but it also has a cat on that poor girl's ass, which doesn't seem at all conducive to anyone's special moments, so I get rather distracted by the thought of how that cat is hanging on and why there isn't screaming and much blood shed.

Probably my discomfort with those pictures comes from not really comprehending the artistic conventions of the genres and cultural subtexts. After all, in a world where a girl can stand placidly while a cat hangs on to her butt, appearances are obviously deceiving.

Shea said...

Well, I am glad you figured out that you're still gay. It would have been awfully difficult at this point in your life to explain that you......uhhhh changed your mind lol. However, stranger things have happened. I am notoriously NOT!!!!!! a morning person. Still, each and every year I get up at 4 am on Black Friday and hit the sales. I do not know why I do it. Actually, I do. I have this disorder that can not be cured. I have to get good deals. I CAN'T pay full price for anything, well except milk. I have not found a way around that yet. Some people surf, do drugs, or look for the meaning of life. I am in search of the greatest deal. No matter how good I find, I keep searching... Anyway, enjoy your sleepovers!

Lene Andersen said...

It's always interesting in your head...

That moonlit thing with the cat on your butt is lovely, except I have a cat and for a cat to be perched on your butt like that, either you have a butt like a shelf (so rare) or that thing's attached by THE CLAWS and I doubt that's very conducive to romance, y'know? (sorry for being so damn literal)

The archery scene is pretty hot. The gender bender thing is contagious - today, I seem to be a gay man!

I'm so confused... ;)

anabel said...

Yeah, even in the more main stream manga/animae that my kids are into it's so hard to tell who are guys and who are girls. My kids laugh when I ask who is what.

cheryl g said...

I really like lesbian sleepover land and I want to stay there forever!

When I look at the pictures that you find arousing I still see the Uke as a girl, no package and those are not guy hips.

Maggie said...

Hi Beth-
I have to say the big blue eye freak me out. They are like alien eyes, only worse.

Linda McClung said...

What is a good tool for head bopping?

The bathroom at my house growing up was always Grand Central station - six people, 1 bathroom - and you had to stagger showers/baths so that everyone had hot water. For some reason, I don't think that would be a problem at the sleep over as these girls seem to be pretty good at sharing.

I don't get the attraction between Uke & Seme's - but I do understand the conflict in is it Qwen or Quinn. Very femmy individual.

My favourite photos are the girl outside drinking cocoa and the girl at the end outside in the cold.

Victor Kellar said...

Ok, just straight guy's perspecitve: Qwen does seem something beyond even an effeminate guy, even girly guys have ..er .. the goods. And they dont tend to have hips like that.

Mostly, thogh, Qwen turns me off because I have no use for someone who needs constant rescuing. Hey, I so do have the "bust in with the sword and rescue the damsel" mind set but .. I want it be someone who kicked some major ass before getting overwhelmed. And once I cut the chains and tossed her a sword, she could help me clear the place out. Guess I'm attracted to strength, no matter form it takes. I'm afraid no matter Qwen's gender may be ... after the third recue, he/she would be on their own

cheryl g said...

Hey Sis

I thought we were managing the bathroom shuffle pretty well.

I really do like the pictures you used. I do hope the kitty on your butt is declawed given how badly cats react to lots of water. The girl reading would be me on my way to the office, especially if you trade the Yaoi bag for a Yuri bag.

I’m perplexed… I thought that chess playing is a regular activity in Bachelor Officers Quarters. Festivals are good places for romance so the kimono clad boys should enjoy themselves.

The girl with the tie is very appealing and I would love to be in a snowbound cabin with her. I know the cabin picture is supposed to be two guys but I really have trouble distinguishing between this artist’s girls and his guys. I have the same problem with the pictures of Qwen. I can’t seem to see him as a male even in the Arabian Night picture. I am really attracted to the harem girl in that picture even though I can see the chest with no breasts. My eyes are drawn to the hips and they appear female. The same with the window peering picture that follows. Even though the kimono has slipped to show a flat chest my mind interprets the figure as a girl. Regardless, the pictures are beautiful.

The girl with the book is me. I have always been happy being alone with a good read.

Hey I just noticed the picture of the 3 girls in the white dresses is called Everlasting Sanctuary. No wonder I want to go there with you and Linda. I desperately want to give you both sanctuary from all the crap that keeps coming at you.

Anna said...

I am worried abou myself. Iam getting strangely aroused, by.......CARTOONS. I think I have to go to sleep now.

JaneB said...

I have to agree,either Qwen is prepubescent, female (of the annoyingly dippy kind) or was castrated very young and therefore didn't have the hormonal triggers for overtly male body shape (that would also explain lack of package) - but whichever way, he/she/it is not at all appealing. Now, some of those other guy-guy pics where they ARE both guys AND are both age-of-consent, they are quite hot, I have to say.

And girls with cat ears and long hair are also intriguing - but that one with the cat on her butt is seriously masochistic or doped up with local anasthetic, that would HURT!!! Cats use their claws to hold on - it hurts when they use claws through clothes, she's going to be bleeding in the water and luring a crocodile in the next few seconds... I suppose that would allow the other one to do some heroic rescuing, which seems to be a popular theme, although I agree with Victor that for rescuing to be really... er, interesting... it needs to involve someone who isn't a total patsy of fate but can kick ass in the right circumstances.

Elizabeth McClung said...

No offence but BULLSHIT! to those who say that this uke is annoying and offensive because they would to rescue him/her. Virtually all romance around the world is based, across gender on the idea of the protector and how erotic that is (for instance, Firemen are hot because the are STRONG and RESCUE people, the ones who go in and find people and tell coughing women, "Hey, here's an axe, you need to break down this wall and then crash through the window and jump two floors" and then the Fireman runs away - NOT SEXY - Fireman/Firewoman who comes out with girl in arms=sexy in western world.)

And there is sexuality in being vulnerable. I am not saying that Gwen isn't TRYING. I am saying that the innocence of Qwen makes Qwen a person who needs to be rescued, like the last time when Qwen tried to make some money and was about to be exploited by photographers - and in came the Seme to drag him/her off - saying, "No, you don't get what you are getting into, and I'm taking you home where you can be safe." - that's SEXY. If you have EVER picked up your partner (*cough*Victor*cough) and carried them to the bed as part of sexual play, you are playing the "protector" - you don't grab one arm and a leg and then let the woman's body and head go bump, bump, bump as you drag her halfway to the bed because you only want a person who can take care of their side.

If someone (*cough*jane*cough*) has ever wanted to be held in the warmth of someones coat, or carried to a bed of rose petals, or wanted to protect someone else, then the problem is what, that Qwen MAY be a guy, is a little TOO vulnerable. Well, that is a MAJOR turn on in western world - which is why for instance MADONNA and BRITNEY SPEARS and most of those women started their career with that EXACT icon. What do you think Marylin Monroe was playing her whole life?

I dig a girl who can help me in a fight, yeah, but I also dig a girl who might need someone to say, "Stay behind me, and you WILL be safe" - that's a very erotic phrase. And someone who can allow a person to say it, can be a very erotic person, becuase they ARE trying, but they accept thier vulnerability. Sort of like how women allow men to fix things for them, instead of going, "Yeah, yeah, you showed me once, get lost, I don't need YOUR help anymore." Household roles and the breaking of those roles can be a form of sexual foreplay.

Victor Kellar said...

OK, I get your point, and as I said, I see the erotic potential of resucing and I appreciate the appeal of the person who needs to be rescued; and its ok if sometimes that person is me.

But someone who needs to consistenly rescued (asides from childer) strikes me as being a little too needy. The whole point, for me, of rescuing someone is helpting the "get on their feet" now that is erotic and (pardon me) macho .. I'm so strong I make YOU strong .. Yes, its nice to pick up my lover and carry her to the bed .. as you said,I just dont want to feel like I HAVE to .. and Qwen (what little I know of him) just seems a little too needy

Great discussion

Elizabeth McClung said...

Victor: I probably shouldn't have sworn, I apologize. I agree, I think there the mate who EXPECTS the door always opened, to be carried to bed all the time - yeah, annoying. I don't want the stepford mate. But I do think there are people who go through or are released in a fragile, innocent state. They think they are okay, but they don't realize how 'too trusting', 'too easily fooled', 'not EVERYONE is your friend' innocent they are. And there is something about certain people that just pull out that nature of wanting to protect them (or at least in some people). For me, even in Xena, there was gabriel who while a fighter, still needed to be rescued (often).

I think we just have different views of Qwen in that you see him/her as a high maintanance bother who won't try hard enough or something and thus is annoying. While I tend to view Qwen as cute because he/she tried too much all the time, but sort of doesn't "get" their own limitations; kind of like the person who signs up for boxing jobs and is confused when they end up as the Ring Bunny holding the card, going, "I thought I was going to be a sparring partner or something?" - Then you have to go down and say, "Um, no, you are NOT going to exploit yourself in front of 10,000, come with me." And as you drag them home, Qwen is saying, "Well they are paying $200 and YOU said I wasn't capable of getting job!" (insert eye roll).

Yanub: Hmmm, I guess maybe becuase nowdays 13 years olds try to look like 22 year olds, I could see that. To me, teaching uni, seeing a 19 year old like this would not surprise me, seeing a 16 year old, totally not surprise me, particularly if female (though, go to your GP and get your hormones checked!).

I think people often mistake "small" with young. As I had a worker who was under five foot and looked maybe 15 and was 24 and carded everywhere she went. That female is probably 15 or over which is all that matters. But yes, unless she has velcro'd the cat there, um, ow!

I think that was a jab, no? (I laughed) - I think the cat is an attempt of "moe" - to be overly cute, where the desire for cutsy overcame the artists rational side.

Shea: I am not sure what this has to do with sales but if you see Qwen wandering around looking lost, please send him/her home (and believe me, go to Europe if you don't have it in your own town the late teenage, "now is that a boy or a girl?" game of people coming down the street.

Lene: I know that is possible becuase I used to stand up and my cat would still be attached to my groin! Admitedly I had jeans on but that would be an interesting story later in life on how you got those scars. Not so much "Did the earth move for you during that kiss?" as, "Do you feel a burning ripping ass pain?"

Well, you could be a woman who likes two good looking guys - there are MANY straight women (about 40 million or so or more, who like Yaoi on a regular basis! That old Harliquin is boring, bring on the Yaoi!).

Anabel: I'm sorry, Linda asks too, and with some cards we each ask each other but the general rule is giant eyes means either a) girl, b) boy dressed as girl or c) Uke in a boy/boy love story. The rest are boys. Ribbons in hair or earring are pretty much meaningless. Fruit basket for example has 3 or 4 guys who dress as girls and 1 guy who is so pretty the class forces him to dress as a girl. And that is a "harem" story about 1 girl and the bunch of guys she lives with.

Cheryl: I am with you, I like the boobs, but the hips and the whole, Arabian night theme and the kimono one really got me going.

Maggie: I was not aware you had met aliens. Um, in which case, just get a big book of Saturday Evening Post Normal Rockwell and your idea of humans will be return (of course the idea of America will be a giant lie but the eyes won't bother you.).

Linda: Who do you need to bop on the head? Okay, I think we have identified from your choice of pictures that you are a lesbian but you are a lesbian who is attracted to OVERBUNDLED women - which must make sex difficult:

Linda: "Yeah, another layer of clothes, more sweaters, oh that hot baby!"

Victor: You don't think Qwen's a dude, but you don't think Qwen is a girl either - what is Qwen to you (or just a really high maintanience girl?).

Um, I like rescuing, if I found I was rescuing the same person again and again, that would be confusing IF I wasn't dating them. However, Qwen seems to more like the really cute cat who keeps getting stuck up trees, goes up ladders and is scared to come down, you know, the cat you have to rescue often. I don't know, I guess it isn't something that bothers me (see my later comment on this). Also, I find the comment that the person better, if Qwen is a girl as you indicate earlier, with those who one inch thick wrists, "kick some ass" - I mean, how much damage do you want Qwen to DO - bruise a shin? I'm just being realistic heart.

Anna: if it makes you feel any better, you are getting aroused by the classic protector/rescued heroine theme from ANIME - so it isn't like you have fallen for Betty from the Flintstones.

Jane B: You win the hetero award and will probably be recieving one of those two hot guys in your mailbox as a reward (or other hot guys like them, now that we know your type). I take it you have seen the Qwen, playing all so, "Oh I can't do anything" to get guys to do stuff for her all to much in uni?

I find it interesting that the elf ears, the moonlight magic the embrace is all swept away by CAT ON ASS. Sigh. Okay, remind me NEVER to bring kitty or even a plushy on a moonlight naked skinny dip becuase that is ALL anyone will remember, "Hey you, aren't you the one with the cat on your ASS, let me SEE THOSE SCARS!"

As for rescuing, I think that part of a relationship as well as sexual play is allowing the vulnerability of being protected, of being 'saved' - of being open enough to shriek and ask THE someone to save you from a spider and know they won't think less of you. Oh well, that is my take. I like dating strong women but hey, I don't mind someone sweeping me up and taking me to bed (which is essentially the same thing)

Veralidaine said...

Holy Yaoi, Batman!

Wow, it is interesting to finally know why Qwen is attached at the hip to his Seme. A debt, is it? Somehow I have a feeling it can't possibly be THAT hard to pay it off. I think maybe Qwen likes being the clumsy one whose schemes all fail and needing rescuing several times a day...

It is snowy here, too. I am sending you an email.

Kate J said...

Well, with Christmas coming up, here in the UK one indispensable feature is Panto... where the "principal boy" (romantic lead) is traditionally played by a woman. Usually in a tunic, tights etc! But making no attempt to look particularly male. Gender-bending all round... and this is kids' stuff! Great fun. I don't know if you have Panto in Canada and USA, but well done it's pretty good. (Badly done it's just embarrassing...)
Anyway, very much enjoyed your manga pics, keep 'em coming! (!?)

Lene Andersen said...

Just went back to check the cat-on-the-arse picture and hadn't noticed before, but there's ANOTHER cat, just below the arse (how many times can I type arse in one comment?), almost in the water and well, maybe that's why the first cat's attached itself to securely - it's afraid of the water?

Seriously, though, it's a lovely, evocative and very romantic picture - my eyes swooped in on it immediately, but then got distracted by the cat. Which is too bad, because I really liked the feeling the moonlight, etc., evoked.

elizabeth said...

“I’m so vulnerable and innocent, won’t you save me!" - I've got that look DOWN to a fine science! LOL

shiva said...

This Seme/Uke thing... is it just a manga/anime thing, or an actual gay subculture in Japan?

If the latter, i'm sort of wondering if, historically in Japan, straight trans women played a big role in the "gay male" scene, and the Uke stereotype comes from their involvement in it, kind of similarly to how a lot of the "butch"/"leather" lesbian image in the UK and US (probably Canada too?) comes from the involvement of straight trans men in that scene...

The character in pics 13 and 14 (blonde hair, white rags that don't cover much, shaved legs) looks a LOT like my trans woman friend when she had been on the hormones for maybe 6 months or so...

JaneB said...

The youthfulness of a lot of manga type characters tends to confuse my reactions to the images - the combination of big eyes and very slender bodies LOOKS sub age of consent or even age of interest - of course, you've pointed out to me before that Japanese people do tend to develop later and develop less marked secondary sexual characteristics than westerners, and that is definitely part of it. But the 'that kid is too young to even be THINKING about that' twitch is quite ingrained, and 'Qwen-like' figures set it off - plus they look so vulnerable that the Seme looks like a predator or cradle-snatcher. Knowing the back story probably helps a lot but, dear Elizabeth, you keep putting up all these pictures, and they get reacted to! Maybe you should also be giving us instructions - "read these books before you say this person is being feeble/inappropriate"! It would be VERY interesting to compare the mental pictures that go along with reading/hearing non-illustrated stories with these sorts of fun sleepover situations!

The other thing is that, you're right, my tolerance of 'Bambi Eyes' is pretty low after years in the university sector. In my experience that sort of 'rescue me!' bambi eyes look is 99 times out of a hundred an attempt at manipulation - it tends to come along with reasoning like 'but I HAD to go out to the pub! I couldn't do your assignment!' or 'but it's not my fault that I overslept and missed the test' or 'no one told me it was cheating to copy off the internet' or 'it wasn't me! It was my friend over there!' or 'but I can't REMEMBER the stuff we did last year and I recycled all my notes'. In addition, being a nasty cynical person, I observe that this sort of 'rescue me I'm so cute and I will be SO grateful (and do it again next week because, lalala, it's just my innocence and unworldliness that leads me into these problems' look is used disproportionately on MALE faculty (and male students) by female students and on FEMALE faculty (and mostly older female students but some male students) by the boys (sorry, male students). So... Qwen turns on all my cynicism, and would get a very matter-of-fact, the-rules-are-the-same-for-everyone, grow-up, everyone-can-make-a-mistake-once response from me, whatever he/she/it was up to.

The third strand is probably a little envy - no-one meeting me in the flesh is ever likely to think of me as vulnerable in a cute sort of way, no-one has ever been interested in 'rescuing' me, and I just don't have the looks - even at my correct body weight I'm a substantial hour-glass-figured woman, I've always been tall for my age, etc. etc. And SOMETIMES, you are so correct, it would be SO NICE to have someone sweep in masterfully and say 'I'll fix that for you, don't you worry'.

Another unrelated point... military guys playing chess = good for strategy, sure, but the one thing you DON'T comment on is that they're also practicing some kind of reconciliation strategy, since chess is usually played by face-to-face opponents rather than by snuggling together QUITE so tightly on ONE side of the board... or are they practising concentrating on strategy when being distracted by physical sensation??

Lisa Moon said...

Erm, wasn't quite sure what to say... then I read Anna's comment and realized I was thinking much the same thing!

Who'da thunk that 'cartoons' would be so... stimulating?! My, my.

Can I come to the next lesbian sleepover if I promise to bring my cute underthings and my best, wide-eyed innocent look? {blinks adorably} I have a tiny little cat o' nine tails style flogger for those naughty girls who take too much time in the loo... uh, said too much again?

Must. Get. Back. To. Packing...

Elizabeth McClung said...

Veralidaine: The question sort of becomes, as I understand the series, is whether the Seme WANTS the debt paid off (this is a common tactic for those silent strong types - they can't say, "I love you, please stay with me!" but "Hey, you have to stay until you pay of your debt?" - I guess after a while one has to wonder if Qwen wants it paid off as well, since she/he does have tendancy toward getting sexually exploited by others (and the Seme is sort of : "Hey, the only one sexually exploiting you will be ME!"

Kate J: I'm glad you like the pics. However Panto is more like Punch and judy with homophobia thrown in. I mean, if they were doing characictures of women in cross dress, the panto's would have been protested long ago (along with the elimination of the Golliwogs, which aren't black stereotypes at ALL, honest!). But since they are mostly attacking stereotypes of gay men, it is all in 'good fun'. Isn't it also the way for stars whose fame has fallen to get a job once a year. I always found that Panto, much like Morris Dancing to be a mystery - it exists, people do it and go, but why? And 9 years never answered that question. Do you still go to Panto? Is it for kids?

Lene: I like the picture, I also was like, "What the hey is that cat doing there?" But I got the board anyway becuase I wasn't about to let the moonlight mood be ruined by a little cat-on-ass irregularity (not after you get used to tiny women carrying giant swords and other anti-rules of physics in anime land - for instance the whole cat ears thing!).

Elizabeth: I have the "I'm so innocent and what I say will be really funny to repeat because I don't realize how helpless I am" down pat - which is why I never get a speeding ticket.....from a MALE - same with border crossings, no problems from males, from females - watch out!

Shiva: It is a historical archtype of Japanese heroes actually. The date eludes me but about 1400 years ago a very wispy willowing but smart monk went around with his more burly sidekick/"good friend" and they are part of Japanese legend, and taught regularly, and if you look at most stories even today, there will be this effeminate male/stronger male pairing - that is thier version of Robin Hood or Batman - just in TWO people.

In Theatre, since it was all male, for the last several hundred years, Ukes, or young males, who have delayed puberty are taught the Maiko or apprentice Geisha arts, usually make money as Geishas and meeting one or having one fall in love with you was considered a great honor amoung the samurai, like meeting a movie star today - "You REALLY met 'moon eyes' Yuki?" Because these would later be the theatre stars who would perform before the emperor and others, unless they accepted the equivilant of marriage proposals (concubine proposals) which went with having a tea house or other typical 'retirement incomes' for famous stage beauties (all guys of course). Unlike the Italian Castrati, they didn't actually castrate, I believe, but they were and in some ways are still a traditional part of Japanese tradition. While reading a story of the 18th century, suddenly there was a side story as one of the famous Uke, geisha's fell in love with a particular samurai who had dedicated himself to restoring the emperor's good name before love. Of course, the Uke determines to do a murder/suicide pact (trick the samurai, cut them and then kill themselves and be together in the next life) - the Uke is given a reverse cut (with the unhoned back of the blade) and told to look to thier future, but in the story the entire Dojo is in evny of this samurai, for whom this wonderful beauty is WASTED! Beat Takashi, a modern Japanese film maker, his last two films, including Zatochi, about the blind samurai, include in one a beautiful male uke who the Dojo compete for and in another a Uke who is a street prostitute to keep his sister and him alive, who the samurai befriends and protects in a sort of Uke/Seme relationship. These are shown in theatres both in Japan and around the world, I saw it in the UK - right next to some disney film. So it part of the culture. I hope that answered the question?

Oddly, because of Buddhism, the Japanese believe in the gender of one in the body of another due to the Gods. However, only recently (like 10 years ago) did the idea of actually being trans and CHANGING occur to anyone, and it suddenly became very popular in teen dramas (And still is) - I mean you couldn't have a teen drama without at least one trans (usually female to male) - because the Japanese are very being on "Finding your own way" and "Be who you are, but within the culture!" - In fact one person was elected to parliment on the platform of "I'm trans, and I'm equal" - they were seen as couragous and elected. Something that would never happen in the west (but apparently did in New Zealand). To clarify, cross dressing or ACTING female, is something that guys or girls do just as part of who they are, and is NOT considered trans in Japan - so a goth lolita girl who is a boy would still be a good catch for a girl as a boyfriend. I don't know if they have transgendered as it is here, but more transsexual and gay (actually, they don't seem to mind who you sleep with, as long as you OPENLY marry someone of the opposite sex - and sleeping or falling in love with someone of the same sex before 25 is sort of seen as part of life, just like falling in love with someone of the opposite sex, or having an arranged marriage).

Jane B: Well, I don't actually know the whole back story, as it is in Japanese, but the protagonist (the Uke) or in a boy/girl story, the girl will often be made to look younger than they are - so you have to keep saying, "They are in 11th grade, they just LOOK 12!" - I have the same problem when watching anime as well, some characters are intentially kept looking very young, and that is even joked about, how parents look like 16 year old sisters and such. For instance one famous Yaoi, which is translated, Clan of the N. has the Uke as the Teacher - who looks 14 or so but is supposed to be 23 or something but still looks FAR younger than the Seme, who is the STUDENT - who is 17. So yes, I can see some adjustment is needed. While for me, since I prefer gender bendy, and females as a rule, having two square jawed fully developed stubbly guys sort of turns me off (particularly as one of them is always a smoker, ack!).

Actually, my personality is that of an athlete femme, which means I like to be an athlete and a scholar and be an equal but in a relationship, I like to be the one protected and seen as vulnerable. Okay, slight problem when you are over 6'3", you can lift most people up with your epee arm, and you like girls. I wasn't exactly going to wait for a 6'7" female to appear but no, never been swept into Linda's arms exactly except when we are in a swimming pool. Doesn't stop the erotic fantasy but sometimes the body just doesn't do it - must be the same for petite women who DON'T want to be looked at as helpless or "You're a little princess" and all that which they endure daily.

The Military guys, I think the fact that they can keep track of the game or even whose turn it is, shows how well incorporating a little open Yaoi eroticism for the army would be - I certainly couldn't virtually enwrapped in someone romantically involved with!

Elizabeth McClung said...

Lisa: Well, considering this "Cartoon" series has I think 2 art books, and seven to 14 regular books, and has sold several million, and that its express purpose is to arouse, I think that is a compliment, of sorts. I think for Japanese culture, since there are tens of thousands of voice actors, and hundreds of thousands of manga artists, they would not see it as a Cartoon, any more than most Canadians would like someone from Japan talking about the NHL as "some sort of stick game, like girls might play during PE".

Shea said...

P.S. I totally think Gwen is a guy.

Raccoon said...

well, the archer seems to of been a very good shot. I mean, on right through the cufflink holes on the shirt...

The rest? Aside from the flat chest (like you said, needs some development), the figure looks fairly female.

I never thought about that problem with sleepovers. Hope they don't all decide to take showers.

Drake said...

Hmmm... Jeans and docs ... * looks down at his attire * Yep, I would look pretty rediculous in a white gown.

You know what gets me the most abou the Anime and all the Japanese arts? The pure simplicity of the lines ... yet it depicts so much depth. How can something that simple be so darned difficult to master! Hehe...

I always loved the Japanese style dress...especially the armor and it seems I am getting my wish of "wearing it". My Arm braces already remind me of a Japanese warrior's armor and now I might get a shoulder brace as well that will seem like a piece of armor too...only thing is, one's shoulder brace usually go on the shield arm and not the sword arm...isn't it? heh... anyway.

I slept two hours after my Bio appointment this morning. They just don't seem to realize that when I say my chest hearts, it's difficult to breath and I have headaches in my ears, mean lower my exercises a bit till I get a bit stronger sheesh!

Neil said...

Okay, HUGE points for accuracy on the archery picture. But dock even more for shooting at someone you're supposed to be in love with?

The kimono could be hiding a guy, but the snow bunny in long hair and jeans? Girl. And she gets my motor revving a bit too; just don't tell my Beloved! But then, I think she doesn't mind where I get my appetite, as long as I come home for, er, supper. Or apres ski...

The veil is kinda cute, but that outfit is wasted on a boy. Put a girl in it, please!!!

And Yanub and the others are right about the cat on a hot skin arse: the claws would be distracting. Even more than the hands in the hair.

What is it about girls' shoulders where the top can't stay up? Find a tailor, kid, you're too young for me, and if you keep attracting me like that, we're BOTH going to get police visits.

I wonder if guys find boy/boy anime less attractive maybe because the guy isn't the one to show emotions; that's a girl's job, and the guy should be strong enough to rescue the girl. If Seme is a guy (and those hips scream Girl!), then he should be stronger, in the typical male mind.

And speaking of minds, dear, Beth, yours is warped, and I like it that way. Cat on ass is just too distracting, though. It looks like Hello Kitty, too. Oh, come on, let's have SOME sense about our fantasies.

Beth, I'm reading this on Monday night,and I know the story after the fun times, but I must say that if you'd rather ignore the pain and screaming to post this sort of thing, you go right ahead. It's your blog sweetie, so do what makes sense at the time.

Sleepy love and hugs, dear. I'm off to bed before I fall out of my chair.

Neil

Anonymous said...

hey this 'QWEN' you think is a girl well he is not the pic.'s you see are from a yaoi you can find it on youtube. can't remember what its called but she is in fact a he. sorry to burst your bubbly but if you get aroused looking at him your eyes have fooled you. sincerly, a reader